All gods have power level take for example the one with red hair and beard (forget his name ) was the weakest and freeza tanked his destruction energy like at was nothing and look at him against toppo he absolutely stand chance against him and toppo is just candidates u11 god so yes they're are different than each other. Why do people put so much weight on this? By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. So UI Goku and Jiren are still top dogs. In the anime Jiren is stated to be stronger than Beerus in his base form. While engaging in a normal bout, however, Jiren has a definitive edge. (Goku says a suppressed Jiren's punch was the strongest he's ever faced, Vegeta says he hasn't felt a level of energy like this before). This poll is now closed. RELATED: Dragon Ball Super: Who Is Monaka, the Anime's GREATEST Hero? But something happened that prevented him from doing so. •Belmod states Jiren will never lose no matter who he is up against which would include Beerus (reminder: this was before everyone found out Goku was gonna become this ultra instinct master while fighting Jiren). I would imagine he could hang with either of them, but I believe having control and mastery would win over blind rage. •In the DBS: Broly movie Goku states Broly is probably stronger than Beerus. Was it explained? Was UI below SSGSS Gogeta/Vegetto and so Jiren too? Isn't this literally describing a Beerus scene that never ends up happening in the actual series? Could Broly best Jiren? This is Broly vs Beerus my guy. Hey, if Beerus's goal post is moved again, it only serves to automatically move Broly's (and Gogeta's by extension) as well, since Broly is "probably even stronger than Beerus". 57.84% (59 votes) 59. Broly and Jiren are the two strongest opponents Goku has ever fought, likely stronger than Beerus himself judging by the God of Destruction's obvious discomfort watching Jiren fight. Why? He wasnt suppressed anymore when he fought them together. red hair and beard (forget his name ) was the weakest. Which makes very little sense IMO. User Info: Dark_Zoroark. And then how does Jiren compare to these? There's no canon evidence that Jiren and Broly > Beerus. And with Broly able to stand toe-to-toe against Gogeta even with the composite warrior at Super Saiyan Blue, he could likely be Jiren's toughest opponent yet. freeza tanked his destruction energy like at was nothing. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. We've never seen Beerus go all out, when he does, we'll have conclusive evidence. Jiren was said to have surpassed the God's and I believe Whis mentions that Goku had achieved a UI while Beerus still had not mastered it. RELATED: VIDEO: These Are Dragon Ball Super's Coolest Gods of Destruction. Stop automatically assuming he is more powerful than everybody. The statements and promotional material don’t hurt either. Followed by Jiren and Goku. Broly beats Beerus. Then this means Potara fusion is much much weaker than the Metamoran, right? RELATED: Dragon Ball: How Master Roshi Got His Groove Back. Even if you nitpick every little thing in the Jiren and Broly cases and decide this and that is iffy then they still beat Beerus because little weak argument > no argument. •Broly has that dimension feat in his fight with Gogeta. Because It's state of mind. Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as the anime is concerned the only person Beerus is confirmed weaker then is Zeno to the point they removed the scenes of Whis slapping around Beerus when they adapted the movies, The only thing that Broly has over Jiren is that reality feat, Jiren was massively more impressive,he took on KKx20 Goku,SSBE Vegeta,17 and Golden Freeza while heavily suppressed. And then Gogeta can stack the SSB multiplier which would shit on jiren. Jiren perhaps even surpassed the state of GoD, Jiren will never lose no matter who he is up against. But due to Goku sounding so assured of himself when he said it and having no reason to lie about such a big thing it makes me think he either has seen it sometime off screen or at the very least has a good idea of it by now. 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Boruto: Sarada's Training Causes a Heartbreaking Uchiha Family Dispute, Jiren Vs. Broly: Who Would Win the Ultimate Dragon Ball Fight - And Why, Dragon Ball: How Master Roshi Got His Groove Back. Dragon Ball Super introduced the Universe 11 champion Jiren and an even more powerful version of Broly. Post ToP SSB Goku and Vegeta are > ToP SSBE Vegeta and KKx20 Goku since In Broly the ToP happened but the SSB variants don’t exsist. I would argue the fact that characters keep being compared to Beerus as a measuring stick with the constant THEY MIGHT BE STRONGER THAN BEERUS comments/promotions says a lot more about Beerus than it does about those characters. For that reason alone I'd rule out our fused heros. Goku making a character statement is a moot point since he doesn't know his upper limit either. Also the fact that Beerus never says that in the episode. Beerus vs Broly/Jiren. -MUI Goku stomped pre LB Jiren and LB Jiren was about even with MUI Goku therefore it is safe to conclude that LB Jiren can stomp pre LB Jiren. I think UI goku would have a better shot against these guys. Ok,so: -Manga Beerus(we know his strenght. Jiren beats Beerus. Jiren is on a different level to all. Jiren is supposedly stronger than Belmold, who has only been a GoD for a few 100 million years vs Beerus' billions. Point is he can’t have made such a claim unless he does have a good idea of it. Jiren would have to put down the Legendary Super Saiyan quickly if he wanted to walk away from the truly epic battle, and he could never take his opponent for granted—which, admittedly, was a major flaw of his during the Tournament of Power. I agree with the sentiment of the post but. I already covered him in the post. We never will either most likely. -On screen, so far, Goku has never seen Beerus at full power. -Although Beerus isn’t his GoD the show has always portrayed GoDs to all have similar levels of power every time they fought each other 1 2 3. Finally, at the end of the movie, Goku compares Broly's power to that of Beerus. -Goku using the word probably doesn’t disprove anything because it still means that Broly is more likely stronger than Beerus than not which is the important part. Via this. Why do people put so much weight on this? Post limit breaker Jiren could stomp Pre limit breaker Jiren. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. , but fused characters almost always get power drunk, so if not blood lusted I think any of the others could widthstand him. Vegeta and Goku were stronger individually when they fused as gogeta then Vegito so gogeta was probably stronger. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Possessing strength equal to a God of Destruction certainly gives Jiren an edge in this regard—in the Super film, Broly was seen unable to land a single blow on Whis who had naturally achieved defensive capabilities similar to Ultra Instinct. Due to the show always portraying them equally when they fight it makes me say they isn’t any significant difference between them however. Post ToP SSB Goku and Vegeta are > ToP SSBE Vegeta and KKx20 Goku since In Broly the ToP happened but the SSB variants don’t exsist. If UI Goku and Jiren are stronger than Beerus there's no point in Goku comparing Broly to Beerus. SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. One thing that's important to note is that fighting against Jiren pushed Goku far enough past his normal physical limits that it triggered the longtime Dragon Ball protagonist to transform into his Ultra Instinct state. If you’re gonna argue Beerus is stronger then actually provide some damn evidence. we don't know if in Toriyama's notes he had Jiren > Beerus. Its a bit hard to say since we never saw UI Goku fight Broly or Beerus. A one-stop shop for all things video games. How do they stack up against each other? So Beerus is probably still at the top. Set after the events of the anime series, the franchise had released the anime feature film Dragon Ball Super: Broly, providing the canonical introduction of fan-favorite villain Broly. Its impossible to know who would win between Beerus and Broly/Jiren because we've never seen the upper limits of Beerus's strength. And in case you were wondering it wasn’t because he was drunk with power. The problem is there's no evidence to Beerus' true strength. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Demon Slayer's Box-Office Records Make It a Certified Shonen Phenomenon. Unless they imply something that would later contradict that comparison then Broly and Gogeta get moved up together with Beerus too. I'm also posting this because the power scaling is screwed up again. Gogeta wiped up the floor with Broly, but since potara is the stronger fusion, this would mean Vegetto was at least around the same tier. So Broly>Beerus. Also Beerus UI is weaker than Goku. VIDEO: These Are Dragon Ball Super's Coolest Gods of Destruction, Anime Anatomy: 5 Weird Secrets About Asta’s Body, Cybersix: The Argentinian-Canadian Anime Deserves Another Chance, Pokémon: What Happened to Misty & Brock After They Parted Ways With Ash, DanMachi: Bell's Investigation Leaves Him With More Questions Than Answers, Amazon Thinks Shaun the Sheep Is an Anime...and It May Be Right, Why Yu-Gi-Oh! •Saikyo Jump Editorial Office released an official statement in a promo which states: [Broly’s] [d]estructive power greater than a God of Destruction?! Vegetto couldn't defeat merged Zamasu, meaning merged Zamasu was ABOVE Broly. But which of the two hulking antagonists would emerge victorious should they never confront one another? (Broly didn't even to fight SSB Blue Goku x20 Kaioken). -Jiren suppressed is not even phased by Goku SSB x20. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Broly •Broly has that dimension feat in his fight with Gogeta. What happened during that? Who according to this promotional material. Mortal level of the universe is not an indication of strength. We don’t have to know. Why is UI a big deal if they've already seen bigger power? I don’t think any of them could stomp each other like LB Jiren could do to normal Jiren. No if Goku used Beerus as a measuring stick for strength instead of Jiren, that means that Beerus is more powerful than Jiren. And I want your opinion guys. The incarnation of the Legendary Super Saiyan in the Super film was even stronger than he had been before, now capable of easily overpowering Goku and Vegeta even after both Saiyans had transformed into Super Saiyan Blue. The GoDs (Toppo doesn’t count; Toppo isn’t one of the 12 actual official true GoDs that have had who knows how many years of training from an angel; Toppo is just an amateur) have always been portrayed to have no significant difference between them. A Pride Trooper from Universe 11, Jiren possessed combat power comparable to the gods themselves as the strongest single fighter in the Dragon Ball Multiverse appearing at the tournament. Why is he the measuring stick? Broly steadily grows more powerful as he fights, so Jiren would have to take a potential match-up very seriously from the start to prevent Broly from rising to his level and possibly overpowering him.