Mine is the 1109 and has no posts. I dont have faith in this product and may need your instructions at a later date. It should not be necessary to completely empty the tank unless it is just full of sediment and you have never tried to flush it out before. I must say the internet is a life saver for problems like these. The pilot on my waterheater went out over night. Thanks for the information and comments it help me restart my waterheated. However, I started getting a 5-flash code (water temperature sensor failure) shortly after install. water heater $500-$800, pro lic installer $400 $30-$$60 shipping cost for Valve. Direct Replacement: Gas Control Valve Kit (Natural Gas) Brand: AO Smith SKU: 100112336 ( 70) In Stock Get 304 Thu, Mar 2 Order by 4PM, receive 304 by Thursday VIEW REPLACEMENT Product Highlights - Natural Gas Description - This whole thread is very interesting. I set the temperature control to just below hot and the burner came on. The water heater wouldnt re-light, but I noticed that the indicator was blinking four times in succession. I was ready to take the circuit board into work and try to reprogram it through what appears to be a serial port (TX RX pins). In any event, my thanks to all of you who suggested steps to take in this matter. Mine got here today, wont be changing it. 1 viewed per hour. The replacement valve I received also has a white sensor light instead of red, and it has a metal capped sensor instead of black plastic. any help???? Cheers very much, Tyler and yall!! So are you saying that you got yours from the MFR? What a cluster outfit. I did put a piece of electrical tape near the end of the ground wire given my tendency to reverse things. Everything is good. After reassembly and firing up the pilot there was a 4 code and a 5 code. I tried letting the circuit board sit, unplugged, for an hour and a half but that did not clear the four flash code. Mwa-ha-ha-ha! If I had found this earlier I would have saved the next day shipping and done the $10 one. The WT8840 Water Heater Control is designed for use in Standing Pilot applications using an immersion well for water temperature sensing. Bioluminescent Reindeer and the Value of Diversity. upstairs. Probably not, but it was worth a try. When I came back to check the water heater, I saw that the light was flashing normally. I lit the pilot, and the indicator returned to 1 regular blink (the sign of normal function) as the gas flowed to the burner and ignited. I fitted the WH with a cheap garden hose when I installed it last year and ran the hose permanently to outdoors for convenience. Get a contractor model. A good business would be to offer a replacement board that has been restored for use to customers blessed with this hunk of junk! I did however, use the no battery option submitted by Cranky Tenants which is a little easier. As the days moved on, it continued happening more frequently and each time the red 5-flash error condition persisted longer and longer before resetting itself. Can you believe this crap! My house is going into escrow and it worked on my red light control board and saved me from buying a new control board or WH! On the board? This is the second time in a year that I got the 4-flash-overheat failure. Yes. So while they said just use the sealant through out, I actually used a combination of both. Thanks alot guys got mine up and running as well after taking the electronic crap out. Came back and it fired right up. This tank was flushed six months ago to install the current control valve. Before I go on I want to point out that patience is a requirement in this repair, as it may take more than a couple of tries with these methods before results occur. I hope this helps others! I replace the whole unit and can not get the pilot to re-light. Removed the old cover and board and replaced it with the new one. ; 4. Hope this doesnt keep happening. I speculate its because Honeywell sells a lot more gas valves this way. Few minutes later, gave me the all clearThermostat requiring heat (No faults). I have 2 bad Gas valves that i tried this on. I had a power outage at my house and coincidentally (?) like this http://www.midlandhardware.com/157481.html?gclid=CNjXnayo0b0CFROVfgodKgsA3A#.U0QkZfldV8E. Thanks to all the posts here!!! After days re-seating all the wires I found that cleaning the lint out of the cage where the main gas flex tube enters an air tunnel leading to the main burner about 6 inches below the white cover fixed it. I have another place with a Rheem Propane Tankless where the lowest normal setting is 100F. Switched back to the old board and still couldnt get it to work. https://www.flickr.com/photos/7428166@N07/13946540277/. Anyways DBs method DOES WORK! If it does not start up on its own after the shutdown, then you may have to reconnect the battery to the right top pin and go through the above procedure again and it will shutdown again. Thats just over the Hot setting on their valve. As ColdShowerMan noted, there are differences in the new design they sent me. Preferably one that doesnt use that stupid Honeywell valve. Its funny how a grown man can get so excited in satisfaction from getting this $%&)%^ing thing working againif anyone would have seen me they may have thought I just won the lottery with all the fist pumping and rants of YES! My plumber advised he has been seeing A LOT of these units fail. Twist the phone wires together, the burner lit for about 20 seconds then shut off. Amazing! Neither worked, the second board is now dead. After turning the heater off and shutting off the gas to the unit. Resetting the #$%@!! If so, I want him shot. I have 4 blinking lights. Right, my tank is just over 2 years old the number of posts here, Honeywell would do well to consider a recall and redesign. This changed to normal flashing within a few minutes. + One for DBs repair procedure. They said they couldnt do anything about that. Remember these guys deal with this everyday. If they dont match the actual wire colors for whatever insane reason, notice which is which. I had looked at it at 5am it was 7pm by the time I got to Lowes, thought he was wrong but trusted his input! As I mention in the article, in bold red text, you have to make sure whatever caused the overheat is also fixed. Thanks so much. Was sent a new one with a bad (stuck) push button sparker. 4. I am calling the plumber who installed it. Thanks to this blog and everyones exploits with the Frankenvalve Heres what worked so far for me on a neighbors unit: No lights at all this time I couldnt even get it to do any lights when trying to light the pilot light. I had to pay $30 overnight shipping. Im assuming that the old board just completely died. On all of the occasions that this happened I was able to reignite the pilot and get the heater going again simply by turning the valve controller to off, waiting ten to fifteen minutes, and then re-lighting the pilot following normal instructions. It Is Designed For Use In Standing Pilot Applications Using An Immersion Well For Water Temperature Sensing. Plus the cost of the above repairs. DB: Instructions are clear and hope to follow this to override the Honeywell piece of crap Gas Control Thermostat on my 2.5 year old 50gal tank. Move the control to Hot and the Water Heater main burner should come on. and I am spreading the word, i bought 2 water heaters for 2 rentals from homedepo with the honeywell (status poop valve), i have no idea how one hasnt blown, (1) 1st. I touched the two top ones. Wife called whirlpool Monday. This piece of junk is only 13 months old. I think this Honeywell valve is pretty flakey. Pull the three wire connector off the circuit board by pulling it straight out. I also drained some water then flushed a lot. It is interesting to note that the water remained lukewarm with just the pilot lit over the past several days. I too thought no big deal to turn my water heater up ONE NOTCH!!! Im always happy to make book sales! The valve in my heater is a revision C and has a blue status LED for normal. I have a water heater that is 18 months old and Im already repairing it? I called Whirlpool again, they agreed to ship a new replacement for $30 shipment again! My heater approximately 3 years old. Clearly the valve controller is mis-designed. The single wire to the rectangular connector just on the left bottom side is the lead to the pilot ignitor so if thats taken off, please remember to re-attach it. No battery, no removing of circuit board, just a short jumper wire. Maybe it should be Teflon coated if that interaction is suspect? Depending on your levels of finger strength and determination, you might need the screwdriver to depress the tabs. I said BS, send me a new module. So this is the only site I could find regarding this stupid gas valve!!! Problem solved. When utilities came to check gas pressure, my gas was shut off and meter opened for half hour or so. The light and the whole board is powered by a Thermo-electric generator powered by the pilot light. That happened (I think) because I turned the heat dial all the way up. I did the trick with a AA battery and some cheap speaker wire. Can a control valve partially fail like this? Any way, the pilot fired up rather quickly and flashed one time every three seconds! With 4 flashes, I unplugged the little cable for about 10 minutes and replugged in and got 7 flashes, but after another 10 minutes or so, it reverted to 1 flash and fired up. So thanks to commenters earlier, before, and above. I also examined the circuit board and noticed a few minor differences, but I think the real problem was in the design and components. My question is.do I flush out the tank 1st before I do anything else.I have no idea on make and modelits raining here and I cant check on it since its on the outside of my homeI want to see if I can fix it myself before I need to pay or just all out replace it This time I followed the directions and got it back on myself(after 3 tries) but it wont remain on. I used sealant on all the piping going into the valve assembly however I used teflon tape for the screwing portion of the assembly that goes into the tank and touches water. Ive been keeping an eye on the heater ever since installing, so I was able to notice this. WV8840B1109 Gas Valve for Honeywell Whirlpool Water Heaters - WV8840B1109 WV8840B1042 $42999 FREE delivery Feb 14 - 17 Or fastest delivery Feb 13 - 15 Small Business Honeywell 100262939 Electronic Valve Ng, 2" 21 $19292 FREE delivery Feb 13 - 15 More Buying Choices $184.52 (13 new offers) They said call anytime and they can help. I had the unit replaced. The unit will go to 7 blinks initially, but the burners will kick on and after a bit will revert to 1 blink every few seconds (normal operation). Wish you had shown a pic of the screwdriver touching the 2 posts. I had put a piece of wire between the 2 top ones, not sure if it did anything. Light the pilot as before. Thanks all and internet! I then turned the gas valve to hot and it lit and ran. I took the battery idea and did a minor mod. inlet and. In that case, the pilot light will not stay lit and you do not get the four flashes. Thank you for your terrific post. Here is what I did with pictures to solve this issue. will light up but is not, Honeywell 24v waterheater. I was reading how you guys help one another and just thought AWESOME! They are the 3 thin metal posts that stick out beyond everything else in an upside down triangular V pattern. Whenthisbabyhits88mphYourgonnaseesomeseriousShit, http://www.midlandhardware.com/157481.html?gclid=CNjXnayo0b0CFROVfgodKgsA3A#.U0QkZfldV8E, https://www.flickr.com/photos/7428166@N07/14153292543/, https://www.flickr.com/photos/7428166@N07/13946581980/, https://www.flickr.com/photos/7428166@N07/14129889951/, https://www.flickr.com/photos/7428166@N07/13946540277/, http://hometips.me/Mar/How-to-test-and-replace-Honeywell-gas-control-valve.pdf, https://www.flickr.com/photos/86570218@N06/17486404251, Home Tips: How Do I Remove A Stubborn Element From A Water Heater?. These things foul the sensor causing the 4 blink death light pattern. Started looking on line for a replacement and came across this site. This is a picture of what it looks like with all the wires attached and the actual valve pins in the V formation (on the right side of the picture). This should at least get you hot water and time to get another controller from like Amazon. Some of us had moved the controller dial through its full range and subsequently the controller failed with the 4 code. BUT, the adapter for the wire harness only goes into the new board one way. Miller DuraSeal Self-Retracting Lifelines. I really dont need those (collective) idiots telling me what is safe and what is not. I wish I had known this a few months ago. While I didnt have any leaks, I was sweating bullets during the testing and first fire up of the furnace. And two finger-pressable connectors at the top. On one end make two tiny wraps to fit over the left and right pins on the valve under the cover like described elsewhere. It is held in by one T-15 tork screw that would be uncommon for most folks. Follow these warnings exactly: 1. Like theyre doing me a favor even though I reminded them that it has a 12 year warranty on parts. I read the included instructions to a T and had a successful replacement! Make an offer: Pre-owned. ENJOY, BIG BIG thanks to you, it worked i fixed it. The Wt8840 Series Is The Water Heater Control For Trade Use to replace WV8840 valves on AO Smith water Heaters. Using a flat tip screwdriver remove the bottom screw that holds the housing on. Read all these posts Sunday and tried the unplugging of the board then relighting pilot. The thermal switch on the hot water heater was broken. Nope! Back in business again. i did just what you described and my water heater is finally on. The WT8840 Water Heater Control is designed for use, in Standing Pilot applications using an immersion, well for water temperature sensing. Especially, drain the sediment from the tank. Its an excellent description, and if you dont already have the new valve, I suggest you try that first. Going to talk to Whirlpool and have them ship out the replacement. There should be labels red and white on the gas valve to help you plug them back the right way. With my method you do not need to remove it, but sometimes its hard to visualize what everyone is talking about if you have never seen it before. Having been working with systems at this level for nearly all my life I will say it looks like the micro-code in the controller goes away and hides when it gets that dreaded 4 code. After the pilot heats the thermopile, and the LED blinks, I released the Red knob but the pilot would not stay on. Getting some hugs and kisses from the wife. doctor dead, steampunk adventure set 1904 san francisco, . Worked like a charm with an old AA battery & a couple of bread ties, thanks for for sharing the knowledge! I let the water sit until the water in it is no longer hotthe last shower usually takes care of that. After spending a day shopping for a replacement nowhere to be found for same day repair, and after 2 freezing cold morning showers, I followed DBs instructions and voila! The water heater is a Kenmore and I called Sears but they only wanted to send out a service worker for $79 to diagnosis the water heater although I explained numberous times that the water heater is OK It is the controller that failed. My Whirlpool gas water heater is giving me the dreaded four blinks signal. I installed the new valve and cleaned up the mess. Only 1 day without hot water thanks to you. Get it from e-bay, just look at picture to make sure it only has red & white wires to the right and NOwire to left side under COM.. Got the same 4 blinking lights Saturday . I tried this simple solution you provided and it worked awesome. mwa-ha-ha-ha! Tried removing the cover, unplugging 3 wire plug, and then lighting pilot again. Worked like a charm! Do you know if the Rinnai is any better than the Jaccuzi? 1: Remove the cover (it just snaps on & off with out tools on mine), 2: Unplug the three wire connector on the top-back of the circuit-board (no need to remove it from the cover so no tools required). I did follow the advise of flushing the tank. Isnt there any way to tell the gas valve to quit having a hissy fit and get back to work? then buying parts, or paying for those appreciated plumbersAll help, is appreciated! Definitely will be draining sediment as a preventive measure later this week. Let me step in line with all of you. I suggest going all the way and getting rid of the old plastic sensor. Obviously weve all had our issues with the apparently worthless Honeywell controller. We are dealing with possible gas leak & explosion here guys! Also, is the setpoint continuously variable as the dial is turned, or are the labeled settings stepped and all there are? I have a state water heater (which are made by A.O. At least it works again and Ill have the replacement ready if it ever fails again. Thanks to the website and posters for saving me a lot of trouble. detected: When this happens after the four flashes, it seems like this is saying something like, There has been a fault detected, and there is no fault any more. In other words, there was a fault and it went away. No, No, No! Second water heater weve put into this location in 3 years, due to bad Honeywell controllers. THIS METHOD WORKS!!! Should I replace the Temperature sensor? WV8840B1110 has been discontinued Discontinued December 15, 2019 This product was discontinued by the manufacturer. If this becomes a regular issue, I might solder a pigtail to each of the terminals and get a battery holder from Radio Shack with quick disconnect terminals. This does not seem to be documented anywhere. Apparently that is the keykeep it clean!!! I dont know if I ever got the red lights flashing. great write up, but I cant find this part anywhere. 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ZpRe"n:o [KA8tX#aW:Y{HbTna+]U. 3. I told them I had four flashes and the serial number. Please do this at your own risk. HELP, what step to go. If no updates this worked for me. Theres a little white reset button on the plate covering the combustion chamber, but that doesnt seem to have any effect!?! combustion chamber. The most I have had to do this is twice before the fault cleared. No flashing lights, no pilot light, nothing. Two months later I drained out about 5-8 gallons, saw minimal sediment. I called Honeywell, but they wouldnt tell me the engineers names. would encourage you to waste the money on a new part. I had the four blink Water too hot issue. Id rather spend money at some local cage, or boxing matches here in So. To RaulDLCs 3/25/2015 post: What is top left pin and the top right pin you arereferring to, while holdingcircuit board still inside the controllerassembly and facing towards me which corner are youreferring to, can you please give me some details or a picture thatwould be great. Youre freaking awesome! While you have the old valve out, be sure to probe inside to see if you have gunk/sediment and/or crystals/salts. So far its been working fine. Give me a break. The red one, I found, CAN be reset using above methods. My water heater is still working fine. Rheem gets my congrats for the great support and fast shipping. I, too, experienced the dreaded 4-flash-of-death failure after about 8 months of use, was given the replacement valve, did the complete flush of the tank only to discover no sediment issues and, as with most of the rest of you, received a valve with a different color indicator light. Called for a replacement through AOS Smith and in the meantime followed Davids How to un-fault a controller mission with success. He removed the cover but did not remove any wires (he fixed it very quickly). Regarding these Honeywell 9007884 Reliance 300 Series gas valves, the manual states that the HOT setting is 120F and the VAC (vacation) setting is 55F, but what temperature setpoint is the LOW setting? Honeywell Gas Valve on a Water Heater Filed under useful Executive summary: Once it has detected a "water too hot" event, the gas valve will never work again unless you know how to reset it. This happened again a day or 2 later and again, after a short while, the status led reverted back from the 5-flash red to the 1-flash blue. I would like to add my experience with this hoping it may shed some light. I have a water heater only 13 months old and it is not working. The two upper pins of V push out of the cover and have doughnut shaped gaskets to seal gases. Regardless what I tried, it was still 4 flashes. reattach the front cover with the wires still unplugged and light your pilot. 5. Went from four blinks to seven. About this product. So, again Sears says they need to send a repair guy out. It does have all of the same issues and the dreaded 4 flashes of death. Will keep this for next year when it breaks again. That would be nice. He said do not put the setting any higher than the HOT setting. Thanks to everyone that posted with this problem. WV4262E1107 it has a much larger board and connects a bit different. When I checked the water heater the status light was not blinking at all. When the first unit failed, I drained out most of the water, sediment appeared minimal. I am now an expert at gas valves. Whirlpool owners are fortunate that the company is sending them replacement valves. Then connected one end of wire to the metal frame of the valve and randomly shorted numerous positions on the bottom of the circuit board.. i.e. Resetting the #$%@!! The instructions are short, but they have very helpful tips and information. Deliberately, maliciously, and probably under the pretense of safety. I think the Board discharged and thus reset the memory allowing it to operate again. The pilot would stay lit for a while and then go out with a code 2 blink. My light is now white instead of red and the electronic board appears slightly different. If that didnt work, or if you already have the new valve and prefer the slightly simpler approach, proceed as follows. I was afraid of cooking the old board. The WT8840 Water Heater Control is designed for use in Standing Pilot applications using an immersion well for water temperature sensing. Picture:here, 4. You need to drain the tank completely because the valve sensor is about one inch diameter probe that screws into the side of the tank from the back of the valve. Be sure to get the Yellow gas rated teflon tape and/or no. Thanks to this thread and bigger thanks to David Boone and the follow on info from CrankyTenants, after 10+ days without hot water and zero expense my water heater is now performing as intended again. To be continued. My warrantied part is being overnighted. no gas pressure would indicate the heater has been shut down and the error code is released? I tried the simple unplug and reset for 10 minutes and plug back in it worked awesome. I did call Whirlpool and told them that the new valve they sent was broken and they did send another replacement free overnight. What you will do next is connect the (+) positive of the battery to the right top pin so your battery is across the bottom pin (-) and top right pin (+) you should hear the click of the main valve opening. Said any time they shipped something it would be 10, 20, or 30 dollar charge. Since I dont have a location near me and have a demanding household for hot water, I opted for the $30 overnight shipping option. For anyone who encounters valve control failure, as long as the problem relates to this particular Honeywell valve controller model (mine was model NU50T61-403), I suggest to go straight to David Boones instruction in this thread for resetting the fault. TH106 Honeywell Aube TH106 7 Day Programmable Line Amazon. However, the length and duration of self-correcting fault conditions rapidly grew more frequent and longer over a matter of days. I even suspect there is a simpler method to do it than the one Ill now detail. Most others had it for from $200.00. Unfortunately, Charles, your fix did not work for me. The only material needed is one short jumper or piece of wire. Free! . 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