At the time of Shanann's death, they had two young daughters, four-year-old Bella and three-year-old Celeste. You feel like youre expendable. Not a popular opinion. Chris also said he couldnt talk to her, she wouldnt listen. Can you imagine her as a single parent? On August 9, Shanann left for a work trip to Arizona and returned the morning of August 13. You spoil us with love an attention! And if you dont, youre victim blaming. If she was (if she was making $80K a year) she would have to end up paying him child support. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW, A milder separation narrative [to Shanann]. However, at the same time he was telling Kessinger a slightly different story. The thousands in shoes, clothes, purses etc. Then he drove her body to a job site at the oil company where he worked. I have been truly floored by everything else I have been reading. On November 3, 2012, Chris and Shanann got married in the Mecklenberg County of North Carolina. Chris said when he met Nicole, he was not used to being treated with respect and having someone interested in what he thought. I dont think the affair and murder had to do with being spineless as I believe he was always capable of this he just never had the gull to stand up for himself before (I mean that loosely and sarcastically)by that I mean that he disengaged and went with the fun new model that also slightly resembled his wife. I think they were married 3-4 years. In Shananns mind she may have convinced herself it all had to do with the nut argument with his parents, then at the end of her life she may have gotten the message that he was cheating, but way way before that. I couldnt imagine a better man for us. Prosecutors have cited Watts' desire for a fresh start with his mistress, coworker Nichol Kessinger, 30, as his motive in the killings and the Google searches, as well as other facts made public in the documents, provide insight into the state of mind of a man Shanann's father described as a "heartless monster." I think all the abuse and toxicity of being with Shanann and realizing that someone else would want him and treat him well made him snap. One of the jobs typically associated with psychopaths are salespeople. For the kind of woman Shannon was, she wouldnt have just given up on her two children even if Chris had left. But after years of this I dont think its easy to change who you are or how you treat people. Admittedly, Chris Watts wasn't looking all that great, already. How did things change so quickly? The doc also discusses Shannan's . I knew Chris as a middle schooler and high schooler, he went to school with my kids. That is a comment that should never have been said; parenthood is exhausting and social media never forgives human missteps. Even though the family had issues before their tragic endthey filed for bankruptcy in 2015 friends and neighbors called them the "perfect" family,per The Coloradan. That was definitely the plan." Two days later, a body believed to be Shananns was found on property owned by Christophers employer, Anadarko Petroleum. No one has been able to fathom Chris Watts' motive - until now Two Face is available now exclusively on Amazon Kindle Unlimited. We also know that in the weeks prior Shanann was setting her husband up in her Thrive spiels as a great father and perfect husband and the best thing that has ever happened to her. In the U.S., call 1-800-799-SAFE (7233) for the National Domestic Violence Hotline. When it comes to Familicide, it is really hard to pinpoint and say there were absolutely no outward signs I do think CW appeared to be very standoffish and distant in the last videos of them on the trip. Why do you need film footage of that? They are doing their best to survive the situation, she said. If this information is available somewhere where I can access it can you tell me where? I listened to Interview podcast with the ex. And this seems to be the word he prefers to use. She didnt break him. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN married in 2002/2003 and divorced in 2007/2008 in SC. We dont know whether there had been violence during their marriage, but it would not be surprising that Shanann tried to project a positive image to her friends and colleagues, both on and off of social media.. Chris had already killed Shanann, four-year-old Bella and three-year-old Celeste on Monday, August 13. I couldnt imagine a better man for us. Thats what was so difficult to get out of. I am so very sorry all of this happened but perhaps it gives pause for thought when making decisions. Shanann and her unborn child were found in a shallow grave near the oil tanks where Watts dumped his children. Shanann was buried in a shallow grave, while Bella and Celeste were left submerged inside two oil tanks at the site. Not sure how often that happens even though Im still friends with my sons ex-wife but it would be very hard not to like her, There is an interview of an ex-girlfriend . That router article is amazing work Nick! On Monday, Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant, was reported missing along with her two daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. Shananns family has said Christopher, 33, confessed to killing his wife and children, but law enforcement has not publicly confirmed it. He remarried and has kids. Thank you Dr. Van De Leek for your enlightament, You have even managed to make it readable and easy to read. They withdraw and distance themselves. In 2015, Shanann and Chris Watts filed for bankruptcy, listing their liabilities at $400,000. On August 21, Chris was charged with five counts of first-degree murder, an additional one count per child cited as death of a child who had not yet attained 12 years of age and the defendant was in a position of trust, three counts of tampering with a deceased human body, and unlawful termination of a pregnancy. I believe he thought about murdering them as soon as he got a taste of freedom.>>>Yes. Kessinger says something to same effect, that Watts wanted to sell his home, but not right away. Odd that when her marriage to King ran into trouble her behavior exactly mirrored that of Chris in the months before the murders: Not waning to engage in conversation, shutting down, withdrawing, physically distancing herself within the home, etc. True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek, Discovery DocumentsEx husbandLeonard King. Chris was broken LONG before he met Shanann. Family (1) Trivia (5) Older sister of Frankie Rzucek. She was making it very difficult for him to go through with a divorce. Obviously he came to this conclusion and carried it out. Yes . What if he really doesnt love me anymore? I have been there but sometimes you have to get a reality check. I need you to meet me halfway. I listened to Interview podcast with the ex. Shananns job and income depended on selling the idea of Thriving. Does anyone one have photos of it? Spot on I thinksort of sums up the sad complication of life.she was no doubt wanting to do the very best for her family, hence her ambition which could be viewed as obsession. Then he met and married Shannan and did whatever she told him to do. I am also wondering if he had some sort of a recreational drug usethe Oxy being given to SW by CW for the abortion could have been something from his own use for fun with NK?! Yes, too little to late on her end. I know we cant judge a parent by a few videos, but I didnt see the passionatly loving parent or strong engagement between he and his kids. His belief was; if I dont make the decision, I wont ever be wrong. Height [1]IMDb jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_2575_1_1').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_2575_1_1', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });: 5 5. So maybe he was just as obsessed with money as she was. @Strawheart, how do you know she didnt kill the little girls? And once she was done she cut him out of her life. In a new documentary from Netflix, newly revealed letters and texts show that Shanann had no idea that her marriage would soon turn deadly. I just thank God he took the right In an interview with a. , Christopher said he and his wife had an emotional conversation before her disappearance, and he pleaded for her and the kids to come home. And Leonard King said the same thing that it was virtually impossible to engage her in conversation. Many have called him a monster, a psychopath, or just pure evil. Meanwhile Chris was looking for someone else, he was just sick of her and all her BS. During the welfare check, the police officer inspected the house but there were no signs of Shanann and her daughters. Ive watched hundreds of hours of videos and read all the discovery on this case and I think some of what you write may be true but not all. He wants out but. I mean think about she knew that NO MAN would put up with her except Chris. I like your thoughts too, Holly. Tons of couples go through this type of stuff! Watts was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. The Watts Family Murders became a talk of many talks and news shows; episodes of ABC News television news magazine 20/20, American talk show Dr. Phil, and The Dr. Oz Show featured the story of the massacre. The Colorado woman's husband, Chris - a normally loving affectionate man - had become cold and distant. You put up with 3 impatient, demanding women in the house, she wrote on, after she sent him a photo of her ultrasound; he replied that he loved the little peanut already. Interesting points made here. Shanann hiding her possible impending divorce, goes along with her living in denial as she does when she tells her Thrive clients that shes a better mother and all around human being because she wears a patch, eats the bars and drinks the shakes. I dont buy him snapping, as you mentioned on a previous post, after Shanann threatened him with never seeing his kids again. Think before you speak. I also think she used her physical hardships once again to play on his sympathies, sort of like a book of struggles, but he had already turned a deaf ear. She said he had an empty head, forget everything. The irony is in exactly the same way he didnt feel acknowledged, towards the very end she complained that he hadnt acknowledged her or their unborn child. Thats his choice, how he prefers it. Hes the best dad us girls could ask for., Need help? You seem to like the psychopath label. Only he took them out first, because he knew he was going to end her life as soon as she got home. When Watts visited the Hair Jazz salon in Aberdeen where Sandi Rzucek worked, it was clear to the hairdressers [Sandis co-workers] that Watts wasnt happy, and Sandi actually told them then [in early August 2018] that the marriage wasnt working, and that the couple were separating. You have some real writing talent. In April 2013, Shanann and Chris moved with her family to Frederic, Colorado, and bought a five-bedroom, four-bathroom house at 2825 Saratoga Trail on a loan of $392,709. On November 3, 2012, Chris and Shanann got married in the Mecklenberg County of North Carolina. It probably doesnt matter to those people that Shanann was controlling, and you raise a good point, did she internalize everything and wonder what she was doing wrong? Photo: Facebook, Netflix Shanann was born to Frank Rzucek and Sandra Rzucek. Three weeks before a friend reported Shanann missing on Aug. 13, leading to the discovery that her and the girls had been murdered, Shanann texted her husband on July 24, writing, "l realized. What do you mean needed Chris to pay the bills- they both needed each other to pay the bills. If so, nice of him not to say so. There isnt a loss like it. Shanann knew for months their marriage was in deep deep trouble but she also thought the 3rd pregnancy was a binder to keep Chris in her control. And we know when Shanann returned from Phoenix that night she was still hoping to woo Watts back into the marriage, hence the planned trip to Aspen the following weekend, the love letter, the self-help book and the imminent gender reveal. I agree on all counts. Chris initially cooperated with police and. So I do wonder did Shanann ever really acknowledge why Chris may have been unhappy? Janny Free please dont call them little monsters they died but the hand of their father, and Bella was such a sweet little girl, and CeCe was younger she was still in toddler stageShe was gonna grow out of itNo matter what happened between these adults they didnt deserve to die, and neither did Shanann RIP Shanann and your 3 Angels Bella Celeste Nico , Janny didnt call them little monsters she was repeating what Shanann called them in one of her videos . But wasn't he eligible for the GI Bill hmmmmm? True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek. Hes conflicted by the pros and cons of making such a drastic change in his life. ; she had already spent several *5* or so weeks without him before and that was the unfortunate reasoning for the freedom to start his affair with NK. Didnt Shanann cheat on Leonard with the middle eastern guy at Dirty South he mentions? 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Often that doesnt come across very popular, and some people dont like what they hear. On the day of his arrest, Chris was fired from his job. Hearing their parents noises, Bella came in and Chris told her that her mother was sick. The baby was a way of Chris Watts wanting sex so instead of just asking for sex he says why dont we try for another child. She was the same way with her 1st husband. Before drilling further into this question, we need to be clear about the difference between divorce and separation. According to Watts confessions, he told Shanann on the morning of the murders that he wanted a divorce separation. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. He stated that he was having an affair with a woman named Nichol Kessinger and wanted to divorce Shanann, but Shanann did not want a separation, and she strangled their daughters in response to that. It seemed like Shannon dictated everything with the kids and he just followed orders. In the U.S., call 1-800-799-SAFE (7233) for the. This isnt the same obviously but it is the same mental state of mindsame thought processes. Over the summer of 2018, Chris Watts changed. Remains believed to belong to their two children were. Chris killed his family for several reasons, financially he was ruined. On August 13, 2018, Colorado father Chris Watts murdered his pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, and their two daughters, 4-year-old Bella and 3-year-old Celeste. He hasnt touched me all week, kissed me, talked to me except for when Im trying to figure out what is wrong, Shanann explained in another text. Amy Miller, executive director of Violence Free Colorado, said people who are being abused by an intimate partner often behave in ways that seem counterintuitive to those around them. Shanann herself was openly discussing the prospect of divorce as early as March or April 2018, this link [an extended version of the clip above], the best thing that has ever happened to her, https://crimerocket2.com/2020/10/08/frank-rzuceks-letter-to-detective-baumhover-on-his-observations-of-chris-watts-deteriorating-relationship-with-bella-and-ceecee/. Shanann Watts ex husband Leonard King - (Speaking about their relationship) - YouTube 0:00 / 7:24 #ShanannWatts #ChrisWatts Shanann Watts ex husband Leonard King - (Speaking about. I like nice things and having nice experiences. Ok so I have an opinion on this and it probably wont be a popular one but here goes. Between his mother controling him all thru his years growing up and then Shanann taking control, a person can only take so much. Shanann went on a business trip to Arizona and returned on August 13, 2018, at about 1:48 in the morning; her friend and colleague Nickole Utoft Atkinson had offered to drop her to her home from the airport. I get really frustrated with people who peddle multi level marketing crap and expect their friends and family to subsidize their lifestyle through buying crap they dont want. Making the decisions. Just Published! Shananns family has said Christopher, 33, confessed to killing his wife and children. American Murder provides insight into Shanann & Chris's marriage, as well as their struggles with communication & parenting. Yet experts in domestic violence say its impossible to know what happens behind closed doors, and social media accounts can act as a tool to hide turmoil in the home. But she didnt let up about it. And so I agree with you Holly that five week taste of freedom sealed the deal, and he couldnt go back to business as usual. Its clear from a thorough analysis of all the discovery and both confessions that Watts was trying to separate from his wife in the weeks and months before the murders, going back as far as a year [close to when Kessinger allegedly made that first Google search for Shanann Watts. She had a brother named Frankie Rzucek. Shannan's body was . Meanwhile, Chris began his affair with Nichol Kessinger, a woman he worked with, telling her he was separated. He already secured the oil field site so that no one else would be there when he disposed of the bodies. [2]The Denver Post jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_2575_1_2').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_2575_1_2', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], }); Watts Murder Case Being Discussed on Dr. Oz Show. If you look at photos of their dining room before the bankruptcy you can see a beautiful black dining set with side board and Im not talking cheap stuff here as I would say the set was a minimum of $5-7000. I hate to sound victim blaming and this is in no way an excuse for her husband to murder her and the children for gods sake!! He seems to be middle class, possibly depressed due to conflicts and internal struggles *possible psychological issues*, past violent behaviorhe seems like a silent passive-aggressive-explosive type that is unstable and unsteady. Another type of family killer to look at would be DISAPPOINTED KILLERS or people who believe they have been let down by those around themmostly their partner and children. I think the combination of having freedom, no matter who he was with, the upcoming gender reveal, the added pressure to their financial and health woes, Shanann badgering him for not responding to or caring about her when shes in North Carolina, and then the final straw of the nut gate incident and Shanann basically demanding he cut off his family with the exact wording he should use to confront them, and adding that they wont be allowed to to see his children again nudged him towards the decision to get rid of his family who were becoming too large of a burden for him. Based on her Facebook page, Shanann Watts had it all: a satisfying career that allowed her to travel, two gorgeous little girls, a doting husband and a new baby on the way. She was previously married to Chris Watts. That summer, Chris had gone from a loving husband to a cheater to a killer. Both native to North Carolina, they married in Mecklenberg County, North Carolina in 2012. Being open and honest is the best way to prosper individually and as a couple. Hes wishy washy with both and leads them to believe one thing when he actually means another. Choosing his clothes, his meals, his everything. He has changed. NEVER. He then dumped his children's bodies on an oil site owned by the company he worked for. Two days later, a body believed to be Shananns was found on property owned by Christophers employer, Anadarko Petroleum. Guaranteed she didnt make enough to support herself, she needed Chris pay to keep her illusion going. If Shanann was a horrible person to some it doesnt mean she killed her children when so much premeditation seems to be at hand. I never thought of Shanann possibly using these happy family videos with Chris before her death as a ploy to hang on to him or keep him from leaving. They were also due in court just weeks after the murders because their homeowner's association sued. But none of those descriptions really explain what led him to commit murder. Thanks Holly, for spending some time thinking and sharing your thoughts on these questions. I think he did use this separation or withdrawal narrative and allowed her to once again lead the conversations and try to pry and get more information for his gain and benefitthis would allow him to gaslight, manipulate, tell her what she wanted to hear. In his eyes they had to go all of them and I believe he thought about murdering them as soon as he got a taste of freedom. Chris, we are so incredibly blessed to have you! she wrote. Six days later, she was dead -- strangled at the hands of her own husband. I think the parents were used as a shield, the children too, so that she would not be alone with Watts in a small hotel room trying to work out their issues and his absolutely apparent, angry and distant demeanor toward her. 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