I wanted to ask - when you say for Delina: Don't you mean "At the end of next combat."? 719.2e), so that the delayed triggered ability will wait until the next end step whenever that is, even if that's another player's end step (C.R. Jesper Ejsing. As you've got access to Blue, there are a few non-Rakdos tricks you can use, the most hilarious I know of is Mass Diminish, note that it lasts until your next turn and have a good laugh. It seems you have the correct knowledge of how Obekas ability works, but here is a link for sundial of the infinite which acts exactly the same as Obeka. What do you think about adding anger, lightning greaves and hall of the bandit lord for haste? If you're going to run Oriq Loremage, you might slip in a huge creature to Unearth, something like Dragon Tyrant can be huge and not break the bank, Double Strike and Firebreathing are really good together, and you won't have to pay the upkeep with Unearth, he's dead before that matters. slythr: Answers to your question have been up for a while. 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I'm not certain the Commander has enough explosive power to consistently win vs 2 decks, but I have very good results in 1 v 1 with my Rakdos deck, and it often has spare cards by the end of the game, be it wipe or removal, because the deck just runs so much of those, with lots of the removal hitting more than 1 target (I love stuff like Phyrexian Purge, Fire Covenant, Make an Example, and Volcanic Offering can each be a terror of a card, and a deck running all of them has lots of pinpoint removal that will clear lots of stuff out. First list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2320784#U.. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. Should I enter the end phase, then use Obeka to exile the "you lose the game" ability, then during the cleanup step Thawing Glaciers would trigger, and I would need to either use a Sundial of the Infinite, or untap Obeka with a spell or ability and use her ability again? By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Obeka, Brute Chronologist rulings: 2020-11-10: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. Commander Legends: Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Min price of the total 35 cards for sale. TappedOut.js Blog Widget. Sorry, beginning of next end step on the oracle text for corpse dance, my bad. Coalition Relic can charge for 1 turn, Skyclave Relic is super versatile/rugged, and Everflowing Chalice can be huge if you want, 6-10 mana is absurd but sometimes comes up. Help | Feeds | Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Obeka, Brute Chronologist (Commander) $0.35 $0.25 0.29 TIX 5291 decks (0.269%) Rank #71 Navigation By Theme By Budget All Cheap Expensive Links Aetherhub Archidekt Deckstats Gatherer Moxfield MTGGoldfish MTGStocks Scryfall Average Type Distribution Obeka, Brute Chronologist + Final Fortune + Elite Arcanist/Isochron Scepter = Infinite turns lol. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} Which is why "the next end step" works, because when your opponent ends their turn its technically the turn after the "next end of turn" and doesn't trigger. You can't "but I only did one then you chose no so I do it again" because now you're looping twice to the same board state as a result of the Obeka activation resolution, which is strictly against the rules. ._2Gt13AX94UlLxkluAMsZqP{background-position:50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-size:contain;position:relative;display:inline-block} 513.1a); this change generally didn't change the functionality of any cards (before Magic 2010, "at end of turn" meant the beginning of the relevant "end of turn step", now called end step [C.R. .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} 3) State-based actions are checked. Add to Cart 1; 2; $0.63 . Delina, Wild Mage has an effect that creates a token with an ordinary triggered ability, which says "Exile this creature at end of combat" at the time of this writing. -. But remember, the latest wording of a card is always given in its Oracle text (C.R. Card Text: . If you run Obeka, Brute Chronologist you can play stuff like Goryo's Vengeance, and she stops eot sacrifices. Card Text. $0.24. 514.2, 514.3a). Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Decks Combos Combos Used In Obeka, Brute Chronologist (559 Combos) Submit your own combos and corrections to Commander Spellbook. Because as niche as it sounds, I definitely want to run thawing glaciers in an obeka deck, and an extra mana could be the difference between entering an infinite turn loop with isochron. This can be found in the rulings on gatherer. One thing to note about the clean up step here, from gatherer: If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, theyre put onto the stack during the cleanup step. I play a lot of Magic. Now, according to https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/ [edit: and 722.3 see below] two players are involved in making decisions that keep this loop going. That way the trigger has gone off and will not trigger again at a later end step. If you want to completely negate an end step trigger you can wait until it is put on the stack, and then end the turn in response. yeaGO i was thinking for commander wise Crosis, the Purger, Lord Xander, the Collector,Marchesa, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, Nicol Bolas, the Ravager you're trying to force a different outcome via infinite loop. Hello been a while since i've posted here but had a question, an issue came up in an edh game regarding the interaction between Obeka, Brute Chronologist and Treasure Nabber. I could theoretically choose a lower number than my opponent but there's no reason to, and so the loop repeats however many times the opponent chose and now they must make a new decision: end the turn. 603.1, 603.3). I have demonstrated a loop. And even if I'm wrong on both of those, I can almost gaurentee that if you tried this at a tournament a judge would accept "I'm going to say no to ending my turn indefinitely" as a reasonable way to end this loop. "Until end of turn" is now used exclusively for defining a duration of an effect. 99.9% of the time you should be ending your own turn, but on the odd occasion you could use it as a tool to prevent other players from using instants during other players turns. Obeka interaction question with cards that read "next end Obeka until end of turn vs at next end step. Login or Register to hide these ads. If this happens, players will have a chance to cast spells and activate abilities, then there will be another cleanup step before the turn is over. Thus, you can't use Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) to keep "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects running after the current turn is over. You are 'looping' only before the resolution of Obeka, putting so many Obeka actions on the stack. during the end step and while the ability is still on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again (C.R. I may have to put it together and try it out. This means that the control changing effect will still end and the artifact will revert to its previous controller. The trigger to exile the tokens happens on your end step, so using Obeka lets you keep the tokens permanently. lothshteth. There are some good resources to show the difference between what goes on the stack and what doesnt with end of turn effects but I dont have them on hand currently and you do have the correct understanding of what effects go on the stacks and what doesnt. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Add To Wishlist Restock Notice Gatherer & Rulings. <i>(Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Effects that end 'at end of turn' and effects that end at the beginning of an end step. Does ending the turn at end of combat delay the Final Fortune trigger until my next turn's end step, or does ending the turn with Obeka during combat immediately put any and all end of turn triggers on the stack and I need to find another way to end the turn before those resolve and I lose the game? The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. Similar Deck Space Card Recommendations Commander Recommendations. The Commander's Quarters is your Magic the Gathering source that helps you Command Your Budget! Say you could build a deck around just Goatnapper-ing someone else's commander and now swinging back at them? Card Kingdom price: $0.00. 4 4 4 comments Best Add a Comment maelstrom197 1 yr. ago From Obeka's reminder text: (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. In the future, you can take care of this yourself using the "Mark as Answer" button on the response that you feel best answers your question. I proceed to combat and trigger Myriad off a Broodbirth Viper and end the turn with Obeka, Brute Chronologist before the end of combat to keep the myriad tokens. Since there don't seem to be any follow-ups or corrections to be made, I've chosen one to mark as the "Accepted answer" so that this topic can move out of the list of unanswered questions. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. The active player, you, must choose a different action. Monday, December 14th, 2020. 3) State-based actions are checked. Another Goad source that is great with a creature heavy board is Agitator Ant, which is hilarious a lot of the time. But even if you somehow manage to end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) during a cleanup step, this will only move the turn to another cleanup step and any "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects will end during that new step (C.R. Based on CR 722.2a. Switch . All combos are rules exploits in one way or another, this one is just more original. If the turn ends with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite). Let's Brew with Obeka, Brute Chronologist as our commander on. Artist: Jesper Ejsing. Obeka, Brute Chronologist | Upping the Average EDHRECast 50.1K subscribers Subscribe 1K 30K views 9 months ago Check out BOTH decklists below! either he does it once and tries to do it again and he's repeating the board state before "demonstrating a loop", or he's stacking x number of unresolved obeka activations. Necromantic Selection not only clears the field, it also gives you back the best thing, this is extra juicy if you use some sort of Indestructible creature(s) that won't die. RULINGS. It's fun, it's a little weird, it's a cool card. Opponents upkeep, spell is resolving, whatever. 719.1d; see also C.R. Legalities. The other players are nonactive players. " 2020-11-10. I was looking at your land count and average Mana Value and I think you probably are running too few lands at this point, it's very tempting to cut them, but 30 is probably too few for a MV that is over 2.5. ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}.icon._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;vertical-align:middle;padding-right:8px}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} #EDH #Commander #MTGWe celebrate ONE YEAR of tune-ups with this patron-submitted list led by Obeka, Brute Chronologist! $0.10. by LordsofChaos115, Sedris, Grave Defiler. 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