((reftalk))Reply[reply], There is no consensus to add the interview of an "alleged descendant" of Mahidevran to this article. Everyone has a right to put their opinion and I just put mine. Your email address will not be published. commercial banks of the capitalist states book; nicholas martin roosevelt; beiersdorf cleveland, tn closing; the difference between body, soul and spirit She is part of the love triangle with Lloyd and Poppy. 'the Ruthenian one'; c. 1500 15 April 1558), also known as Hurrem Sultan (Turkish pronunciation:[hym sutan], Ottoman Turkish: , romanized:urrem Suln, Modern Turkish: Hrrem Sultan), was the chief consort and legal wife of the Ottoman sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. The change of titles was to differentiate a legal wife from a concubine/consort/unrecognized wife or however you want to call it. [38] She built a public soup kitchen in Makkah.[11]. Hurrem's birth name is unknown. Doug Weller talk 15:40, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The Haseki Sultan was chief consort, and Hrrem Sultan was Sleyman's. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 02:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Your yet another personal comment attack proves that it's not the History you're worried about but your own opinion. Partly. Its was Mahidevrans fault that Sultan Suleiman focused all his attention on Hrrem Sultana. Simply because Mahidevran was too proud and wan Muradiye complex. Scholars have wondered if Hurrem's alliance with Mihrimah Sultan and Rstem Pasha helped secure the throne for one of Hurrem's sons. Suleiman started to see him as a great danger to his rule. Also note the rank Kadin or Birinci Kadin ended with Mahidevran, this rank changed to Haseki Sultan (logically this is what happened). Thank you From Khondoker Jobair. [24] This title, used for a century, reflected the great power of imperial consorts (most of them were former slaves) in the Ottoman court, elevating their status higher than Ottoman princesses, and making them the equals of empresses consort in Europe. However, her philanthropy is in contrast to this as she cared for the poor. It means there was no external reason for the death, such as a traumatic injury. Thanks to her intelligence, she acted as Suleiman's chief adviser on matters of state, and seems to have had an influence upon foreign policy and international politics. She frequently accompanied him as a political adviser. This page was last edited on 16 January 2023, at 12:59. Please be fair. Mustafa had a great sympathy towards his half-brothers, especially to Beyazt and Cihangir (the youngest ones). [22] It was only possible for Hurrem to marry Suleiman after the death of Hafsa Sultan. Again it's just my opinion to me it looks like a fact. If "Haseki Sultan" was created solely for Hurrem when they legally married, breaking a 200 hundred tradition of not marrying, why should anyone assume that other concubines of the sultan would start using "sultan" if they didn't marry him? And Mahidevran was the proud mother of Sehzade Mustafa,who was the most potential and talented heir apparent to the throne.And Mahidevran was not like the other Consorts of Suleiman,like Gulfem or Fulane.After the death of the sons of other consorts by diseases She was the mother of only son of Suleiman the magnificent and according to the ottoman tradition sje was Suleiman's Bas kadin,which was the most powerful position for a Sultan's consort before creation and after abolition of the title Haseki Sultan.As Leslie P. Pierce said that during Suleiman's reign the title for Queen mother, Princesses and Sultan's chief consort changed to Sultan from Hatun.And other ordinary consorts of Sultan held the title Hatun.And Mahidevran Sultan was favorite and chief consort of Suleiman before hurrem,and she was the mother of crown prince of the ottoman empire. You can infer and speculate and theorize all you want, but history is history and I find it highly disrespectful and arrogant that you think your abstractions are worth more than the reality of events. Yes, it was and the series shouldve put more emphasis on Valide Sultanas criticism of her behaviour. Hurrem and Mahidevran really did fight, but Now Mahidevran became a chief consort as a mother of the only prince in the Empire. Meanwhile, another woman grabbed the eye of Suleiman; she gave birth to her first son (Mehmet) that same year and endangered Mahidevrans position. This new woman was the famous Hrrem Sultan. With many other revolutionary movements like these, she had started an era in Ottoman Empire called the Reign of Women. Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.218.117.86 (talk) 20:21, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], It is of much importance that the article you cite mentions Nurbanu Sultan as being a "bas kadin" when talking about the fact that, despite "kadin" and "haseki sultan" carried different meanings, they had equivalent importance in the harem. Thank you. It is traditionally believed that Hurrem, along with her daughter Mihrimah and her son-in-law Rustem, orchestrated Mustafas execution by turning his father, the Sultan, against him. Selim could have helped Mahidevran out of guilt that he lived and became Sultan while her son did not. Our ancestors said that the plague goes away once the trees shed their leaves in autumn."[26]. This site uses cookies to improve your experience and to help show content that is more relevant to your interests. Selim II (r. 15661574) likely never held anything against Mahidevran personally. She was his mothers rival, not his. Selim II, as depicted in a m The reason I call for a page title is to respect Ottoman customs and history, nothing more. [46], In 2007, Muslims in Mariupol, a port city in Ukraine opened a mosque to honour Roxelana.[47]. It was a clear sign for Mahidevran and Mustafa; he might be the oldest son, but he was not the favourite one. According to him, Mahidevran Sultan was the daughter of Prince Idar Temryuk.Was it really so? [11], Aside from her political concerns, Hurrem engaged in several major works of public buildings, from Makkah to Jerusalem (Al-Quds), perhaps modelling her charitable foundations in part after the caliph Harun al-Rashid's consort Zubaida. Hope you understand. In 1546, one more half-brother was on the governors market; Prince Beyazt. Thank you 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC) In fact, Suleiman was afraid of his eldest sons power. If you all come to an agreement earlier let me know. Magnificent century (Muhtesem Yuzy by I heart Duncan James. The original caption is only "sultana" and there is no reference to Rosne Pranvere. The name Abdullah may be used as a generic patronymic (father's name) for slave converts but this name was and is very common for any royal family as well as a common family in any Islamic dynasty. Sorry cant find sources now that was about 12 years ago. Hello my dear friends!I'm glad to see you on my channel. At his mothers funeral, Murad was supposed to remain in the palace during the funeral. With this letter, Hurrem sent Sigismund II the gift of two pairs of linen shirts and pants, some belts, six handkerchiefs, and a hand-towel, with a promise to send a special linen robe in the future. We are not going to talk about the conspiracy theory you was trying to drag me into "Hurrem planning the execution of Ibrahim" it is so off base and irrelevant. Empress of the East: How a European Slave Girl Became Queen of the Ottoman Empire. Glbahar (given name) 1500s births. During the start of 15th century, the Ottoman dynasty was taking over the territories of its rivals more rapidly than before. Your stubbornness of using only Peirce's provided information while neglecting other possible sources shows your own prejudice, not anyone else's. Burial. "Sultan" had many meanings throughout history and did reflect the status and the way of interacting of the times; if we want to accurately depict history then, at last, she's a "hatun". 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Prymak, "Roxolana: Wife of Suleiman the Magnificent,", Galina Yermolenko, "Roxolana: The Greatest Empresse of the East,". That same year ambassador Navagero wrote, It is impossible to describe how much he is loved and desired by all successors to the throne. Please consider all sources available. WebMahidevran Turbesi3.jpg 315 470; 22 KB. Hurrem Sultan makes plans to get rid of ehzade Mustafa and his mother Mahidevran Sultan as she sees them as a threat for the throne. WebA cause of death is determined by a medical examiner. Which memorial do you think is a duplicate of Mahidevran Hatun (174192522)? Despite the fact that male European artists were denied access to Hurrem in the Harem, there are many Renaissance paintings of the famous sultana. If you treat Ottoman history as merely entertainment, you're not doing your job to inform people. [16]:132 Although she was Suleiman's wife, she exercised no official public role. .mw-parser-output .brokenref{display:none}Cite error: There are tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist|group=note}} template (see the help page). All other depictions of Hurrem, starting with comments by sixteenth and seventeenth-century Ottoman historians as well as by European diplomats, observers, and travellers, are highly derivative and speculative in nature. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 01:30, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Actually you are the one making subjective propositions here. Minna Rozen: A History of the Jewish Community in Istanbul, The Formative Years, 1453 1566 (2002). 125.209.82.212 (talk) 15:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], We see that Birinci Kadin is what a woman who has bore a first child; you're overlooking what I said: it was Hurrem who married legally Suleyman and broke the 200 hundred tradition, not Mahidevran; in any case, she can't be called a sultana. She was given many honours after her death. The cause of death is a specific disease or injury, in contrast to the manner of death, which is a small number of categories like "natural", "accident", "suicide", and "homicide", each with different legal implications. hurrem. Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.101.0.179 (talk) 11:44, 12 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], If the modifiers of this page can identify this reference, then please update. Worldandhistory (talk) 18:40, 23 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], --Phso2 (talk) 17:48, 24 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Hi again, sorry I noticed now you added "suggests she was a cariye, thus of non-notable family" I will have to remove it because the source only called her Cariye and did not specifically says that she was of non-notable family. This has to stop, no factual person will buy your theory. That's very funny!!! WebExplore Mahidevrans 121 photos on Flickr! Invalid memorial. WebDeaths in June 2017 passed! Please, if there's someone who can review this and make a decision quickly. [21], Around 1533/1534 (the exact date is unknown),[11] Suleiman married Hurrem in a magnificent formal ceremony. The Venetian painter Titian is reputed to have painted Hurrem Sultan in 1550. Hurrem or Khorram (Persian: ) means "the joyfull one" in Persian. Including those of John Freely. You are not helping in maintaining the neutrality, rather imposing your opinions extracted from your sources. Please don't get personal here it's just a talk page. Specially every Circassion origin theory. Try google, or any other Deep Web search engine, you can see dozens if not hundreds of books, journals and non-commercial websites that refferred to Mahidevran as Kadin or Sultan (sources dating back to 17th century - I say this because you probably would say they have been written by Turkish soap opera's fans) whereas Gulfem, Fulane, and Gulnisa, all consorts are mentioned by title Hatun. The proportion of cardiovascular deaths decreased from 69% in 19791984 to Of these, Mahidevran's son Mustafa was the eldest and preceded Hurrem's children in the order of succession. In the end, she found herself in Manisa as one of the women in the Suleimans harem. We have not seen another such example after 15th century of a Senior consort being not called Sultana. Images of the chief consort emphasized her beauty and wealth, and she is almost always depicted with elaborate headwear. And what was her life like before she met Suleiman?For a long time, little was known about Mahidevran Sultan. Why popular theatre plays describe her character despite strangers of all types being forbidden into the harem? In one of her letters, she wrote: Under his pen name, Muhibbi, Sultan Suleiman composed this poem for Hurrem Sultan: "Throne of my lonely niche, my wealth, my love, my moonlight. According to the same tradition, Mahidevran had to leave Istanbul to accompany her son. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 01:47, 29 February 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I beg to differ, in many books (arts, literature whatever you may call) she has been known as Sultana. In 1561, three years after Hurrem's death, the French author Gabriel Bounin wrote a tragedy titled La Soltane. Hurrem's influence in state affairs not only made her one of the most influential women, but also a controversial figure in Ottoman history, especially in her rivalry with Mahidevran and her son ehzade Mustafa, and the grand viziers Pargal Ibrahim Pasha and Kara Ahmed Pasha. Mihrimah Sultan was born in 1522 as the daughter of Sultan Soliman the Magnificent and Roxelana. Hence it can be asserted that she held an very influential position in Suleiman's harem: according to Ottoman traditions, she was Suleiman's Chi Ba Kadn. While "XXX son of Abdullah" maybe a son of a convert slave, you cannot say that Khalid son of Abdullah or Hussein son of Abdullah are also slaves. Theories I presented are with facts of ottoman etiquette and evidence from History books. For this reason, she has become a controversial figure in Ottoman history subject to allegations of plotting against and manipulating her political rivals. Mahidevran Turbesi5.jpg 320 240; 21 KB. [17] She did not spend her last years in poverty, as her stepson, Selim II, the new sultan after 1566, put her on a lavish salary. It's not her possible title and you think this is a joke. She died in 1558, in Istanbul and was buried in a mausoleum within the Sleymaniye Mosque complex. Life in a Sultans harem was not glamorous and it certainly wasnt about love. Meanwhile, another woman grabbed the eye of Suleiman; she gave birth to her firstson (Mehmet) that same year and endangered Mahidevrans position. 2003:6A:6851:3301:2906:2827:AE05:4542 (talk) 03:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], All the references can be found here [13]. In the 2003 TV miniseries, Hrrem Sultan, she was played by Turkish actress and singer Glben Ergen. All these authors could've have used this phrase simply because they didn't know what the real father's name was, like I said "this name was and is very common for any royal family as well as a common family in any Islamic dynasty." Alex2006 (talk) 15:04, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Keivan.f I haven't searched about mahidvran but happen to have read about her. When Suleiman freed and married her, she became the Haseki Sultan (adding the word sultan to a woman's name or title indicated that she was a part of the dynasty). Popular culture calls her that way because in some theatre plays she's erroneously addressed like that, just as any work of FICTION. [5] She soon became Suleiman's most prominent consort beside Mahidevran (also known as Glbahar), and their relationship was monogamous. Does the translation really say she was from Euboea?? If, however, you can get an admin to permanently block the page from any further editing you may do so. Concubine by definition is not a slave. She is known to be a legal wife before Hurrem Sultan, but not so popular since Hurrem Sultan was the first "slave" to become a legal wife, hence, only Hurrem's being a legal wife is so popular. 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