In growth and maturity, we need to feed others, and to be served, ourselves both. Then I had to remember all the sermons I had listend to and how deeply moved I was by his heart for Missions and Jesus. Its because, not so deep down, they know that they themselves are no more than bloggers; the only difference being that they read some of their blog posts out to an audience on a Sunday morning. Now we have Didasko. Thanks for the man/human explanation. If I baked you 10 cookies but one had poison would you eat one or just throw the entire batch out? This is a network of churches Smyth started while preaching in South Africa and is attempting to expand into the USA, but again, it doesnt appear to me that CLC members are getting an honest days work for the salary they are paying Smyth, but the average member doesnt seem overly concerned about that. It was all titles and nonsense. I found your comment fascinating. Platt New! Its probably part of his Radical mantra live and give until you are no longer sane and totally burn out. Its reductionistic, but I like the Church gathered to worship (edify, exhort, encourage) and be fed; then the Church scattered (respective families, jobs, neighborhoods) to do missions/evangelism. I disagree. If you are in Christ and have the Holy Spirit, then you ARE a witness and an ambassador. Im not so sure God is so worried about all our acronyms..SBC, IMB, etc Is not our mission unity in love Making disciples, preaching the word to all nations? Therefore, Who God is and what He has done is paramount for the faith community. Tradition, and anyone that questions tradition is a liberal, and we all know where that leads. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers, Just like the Priests of the old Egyptian gods. @ AnonInNC: It looks like he is staying on. But those things are not what they are hired to do in megachurches. Have you seen what their next conference is going to be? by BEING in right relationship with Him. I did join it after attending for a year and then left after four months. So when I see that Platt is not being paid a salary, I question that, unless hes already covered in this area by his IMB salary and perks. Yep, I am one of the liberals and it has created much exiling in my SBC life. Whenever I feel ashamed to be a Southern Baptist because of the reputation and antics of these snake oil salesmen, I have to remind myself that they are clearly NOT Southern Baptiststhey have only ridden on the coat tails of the SBC to seize fame and fortune. but Pastor is certainly not it. Is it common for Calvinist pastors to preach almost word for word Piper / MacArthurs sermons on the same exact texts? Who God is, and what He has done in Christ on our behalf takes precedence. God can work with plan A, plan B, plan C, etc. Hi GSD, Or he saw the amount of resources that McLean Bible Church has and was to sway their donations. If a merger is in the works (someone at SBC Today suggested that might be the case and was chided by a writer at SBCVoices for writing it which made me think its true) Ezell seems like the likely candidate. The pastor never spoke to me and his understudy said something goofy, like Isnt the sky blue today? There were a total of about 15 people at the funeral. I cant think of any big names in the UK but that doesnt matter there are plenty of gifted people within local churches. Who wants a job where you give everything, then the mob can take a vote as to whether you keep your job or not! He clearly could not know everyone by name as our capacity as humanssociologically speakingtaps out at around 150 (if you look at the literature). Also surprised MBC would go for this. I believe this is the main reason why people desire to be where everyone knows their name, as in the tagline from the old show Cheers. But were also jaded when it comes to the typical format of church. When The Tron church heft the CofS their website said they were goingto join the International Presbyterian Church. But the salvation of the world has a purpose beyond that. I think there is more going on. and if he doesnt, theres no reason not to create them ourselves. I do think that it is a poor idea to have a teaching pastor who doesnt know her or his flock, as I agree with Bridget that pastors should be driven by the Spirit to attend to the needs of the congregation. I dont have a problem with the word pastor being used for clergy. He basically made it sound like unless you were Elder material you shouldnt be a missionary. Full time pastor.TGC chairman. Id be very interested. Hes doing well. Being paid an honorarium for each sermon is not a salary so one wonders if this is all spin. Im a firm believer in Capital Punishment. If we then love God we will/should obey God, or so Jesus said regarding himself. Far too many people are looking for a celebrity so they can say "We go to David Platt's church." We should consider what ought to be on the table in the tabernacle. Faithful proclamation of Gods Word is essential, because it is upstream of faith and worship/service. Were paying, sometimes til it drives us into financial ruin, to be abused. I hear some of you saying that you want a personal interaction with a pastor. But they are the foundation to faith and give definition and motivation to service (in light of His great love). one head person to be the primary teacher and CEO of a fellowship, big or small, to whom all, if push comes to shove, must ultimately submit. I would like to say to all of you. If hes not getting a salary, why does he need this title. Good little Suckers in the Mooch-and-Sucker Show. Sounds like he has taken Thom Rainers advice. Evidently the title lead pastor gives them street cred for moving up in the movement. Id be very interested. It evolved; a culture developed around it; rules and regulations; holidays and celebrations; the yearly church calendar; working people could show up, pay up, and leave; eventually the CEO posted a job roster for the volunteers; duties and titles; gender roles; power and access became linked to donated money; book$ and conference$ and web$ite$ and broadcast$; celebrity and status; trips and missions and safaris; etc. pastors should see this and understand it. As I think its all going NGO working with the UN and Feds for some of the billions out there. To our readers It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. This week we will focus on Rashis explanation. Personally, I respect organization, but my most pressing need is for substance. Stetzer: Im very upfront with my role to my church. Apparently this post is getting a lot of play out there. Tell me want to do/believe, and I will do it, I do not want to figure it my self to much work and, 2. Paul gave sermons in the public spaces and synagogues. I think a marriage of convenience took place, and human nature made sure that it stayed that way when things became very inconvenient a few short years later. My impression is that these guys truly have no intention to get to know or love anyonethey only desire to lead! But does mission swamp the Church? Incidentally, Platt captained England on numerous occasions and his Wiki bio says the following: The official England history regarded him as a tireless runner and tidy passer, leading by quiet example providing inspiration at a time when it was a rare commodity. I actually timed it once. but in the church gathered there is order of service (not chaos) and some invested authority (dont want to debate who and how much, just that it exists). Of course there are many in between, but I continue to be amazed how many people do not put much thought into what they do and say.. our immediate culture is makin this worse. Im big on capitol punishment, as in punishing the politicians who work at the capitol. It is a megachurch inthe DC areawith 5 locationsand claims an attendance of 13,000 each weekend. The Nepalese believers dont seek expenses-paid work jollies or international trips, or book deals. We respect Dr. Platt and his sense of the Lords leading; and we recognize our responsibility to hold him accountable for his work leading the International Mission Board. My post probably doesnt do justice to the actual experience of reading them for yourself. This is true. We both know the answer, yet dont follow this when we have someone adding their own agenda. (1) fr. No science or study of created things compares to knowing Him in short, theology over sociology (social sciences or created things). I literally LOLed. There are plenty of people in Nepal, grafting away for little personal glory. WebApril 2004. I know he did this purposely since they had all sorts of huge speakers in his church. Very true and this phenomenon applies to the congregation as well. McLeanBible Church, originally nondenominational, isa recent member of the Southern Baptist Convention. Maybe a thread on ecclessiology would help define terms and roles it is sorely needed in the contemporary scene. He wants that title. So if it is the means then why are people upset when Platt says that people need to get with it regarding the means? (Cars, housing, funding for private schooling for his children, etc.). On more than one occasion he preached a sermon almost word for word from one of Tom Wrights books. Nor do they ever get any deeper. dee said: To our readers He will receive no salary. What I find today, is the Church Growth Leaders have confused worship with mission. I greatly admire the health in Christ you so earnestly convey and demonstrate. I ran in a 5k on Labor Day where he won the 40-44 division. Standing up on a stage, being the only voice heard in a comfortably organised setting where everyone is explicitly there to hear you speak, is among the most seductively intoxicating pleasures anywhere in this life. We plan to revisit this matter in our February trustee meeting.. Guilt induced you are not giving me enough money for MY missions and you are not doing ENOUGH witnessing in your own life as decided by me, the missions director for god. Why we continue to metaphorically want a father clergyperson when Jesus Himself said a resounding no to that model? The pastor did show for the funeral, but came with an understudy (seminary student?). Latent Life Force: Frozen Inside Without A Voice?, Resist or get out of this infected 50(c)3 church, the spiritual life you save may very well be your own, How can you see into my eyes, like open doorsLeading you down into my coreWhere Ive become so numb, without a soulMy spirits sleeping somewhere coldUntil you find it there and lead it back home The emphasis was on have to have not whether the person in the pulpit was a man or a woman. But I know I cant do that forever. Some are completely reasonable, and some would run any old church in an area that appreciated out of town. So, again, how is this guy spending 20-25 hours a week on a sermon? However, I do think it represents something about care and compassion of the sheep and knowing them by name. How can you pastor a church if you dont meet the sheep???? Ministry to believers is creature-centric. Those of us who have seen behind the curtain know that it is not real. Pastor has lost its meaning entirely, much like the terms gospel and biblical. My point was in response to a completely different statement the idea that we are saved to go on missions. I totally disagree with that concept. Is it any wonder why those of discerning tastes are leaving the brand of loyalty and switching bakeries? How does this work? Problem is Jesus shepherded in another fashion and ran off when people wanted him to be a celebrity. One of the commenters proceeded to lecture me on how everyone has the same 24 hours in a day and that I was just being lazy on getting my own information. I am sure my staff are wondering why I laughed so loudly a moment ago. But I also think it has two drawbacks: 1) Not giving it the credence it deserves at one extreme. I just listened to a YRR pup give a 45 minute tearful sermon on the huge sacrifice he is making to leave the church he ruined after 5 years to be a teaching pastor in a mega. I like that people can request things like meals after surgery. @Richard- My family also attends (Soon to be attended) MBC and feel the exact opposite. What does this mean? We made funerals and weddings church events when they never were in Bible times. That does not excuse poor leadership or unwise over-commitments as Platt seems to be doing here. What does any of this have to do with God? i have a feeling it is an easy process. I think there is a place for leadership at these larger churches. Exodus 40 10-17 we see that God appointed Aaron as spokesman for Moses. Im sure the new name for the SBC has already been determined because Southern and Baptist and Convention is not going to work. So yes, I do think they dont really care about the other things, too. That is simply not a position that exists in the New Testament. Got a bit lively, but no legal or 501c3 problems. Its like a code for the party apparatus. One can improve the business by power of advertising and might of distribution. Im asking God to give you Elders who are friends, and that things go well in your church. I literally LOLed.. * But that is in keeping with his I sacrifice and live in the bad part of town for the gospel even though I travel all the time and so only my family really has to endure living there from day to day.. I would also spend the other 20-25 hours getting to know the people and doing visitation-type activities. Preparation time can't look the same for that, but only having to preach one text a week gives me the liberty and the opportunity to spend between 20 and 25 hourssometimes less, sometimes morein the text during the week. thats totally awesome. . only 1 church in my town would let me hold a musical recital at their facility. Is he polishing his sermons so thoroughly they can seamlessly make the transition to book format? With Mac Brunson you see tweets about Lambert and Mohler and trivializing the impact of Irma on the community while whining about the minor ways it inconvenienced him personally. Im a liberal lefty too, and I think its high time to revamp the tax codes so that the loopholes are closed and that all non-profits (religious or no) must abide by the same rules. He always seems to focus on relational aspects, having a good marriage and family life, caring for each other in the church Never a guilt trip about not being missional enough. Day-to-day leaders of the church living and working shoulder-to-shoulder with all the one anothers? GSD, Heres the line he gave then when questioned about the issue: http://www.bpnews.net/43260/www.bpnews.net/43240/cooperation-central-to-platts-vision-at-imb. AMEN! Flash forward about 20 years. The father. Anyway, the sermon was completely delusional. This feeding of the flock is via the Word of God and given out with a piece of oneself. Maybe not. And yet theyre the very people we should be hearing about, because they are setting an example worth following. Blogs. I seriously have heard the exact same sermon at three churches, with the same title and even the same examples, and all of those pastors boasted about the amount of time they spent writing their sermons. I generally know what to expect, altho Ive had my share of surprisesmy motto is there is no such thing as a straightforward issue. They went to provide medical expertise and other practical support to Nepalese men and women while they preached the gospel. (Formerly pastored by Joshua Harris and C.J. Casting Crowns: A City On A Hill The church has completely lost its relevance. But brother or sister, these nine jobs are biblical, and that is why they are so valuable.. I could add philosophy of ministry as well. Youre not jaded, youre here and youre participating! The church is the Bride of Christ, it is a place to make disciples and make the Gospel known. Yes, if nothing else I wonder how much of a burden these self-acclaimed superman leaders put on the rest of us who cannot seem to do as much as they do. Most bakeries by this time will start feeling the cash flow pinch. Just being a preacher doesnt make you a pastor. With one exception: If I was a pastor, I can understand taking 20-25 hours for study and sermon preparation. http://www.christianebooks.com/TheGrahamFormulaDownload.pdf. The things she happened upon sent her down rabbit trails while she was researching Du Bai (sp?) Platt and his team are also reorganizing the board and the IMB is going through significant change. The worst, to me, is that much of this is NOT ministry. Lost In Space: Gospel Replacement In Progress. For me personally, it takes faith to be known in a church. The last time such a position existed was over 3,000 years ago, it was a special circumstance, it was explicitly ordained by the Lord Himself, and it was filled by one who was stated by God to be the most humble man in the history of the world. You are one of the lucky ones if you can see through him. You see, he gets to go to church with them and then get up and preach/teach. (PS: We would like to know how many of Ed Stetzer church plants survived.It's a little hard to get that number). David may be a great speaker, but hes not a good people person in my opinion. But we didnt expect him to know us all by name, succor us through the tough times of life, or somehow be there for us 24/7. Im afraid Lon wanted out and this was the easy road. We dont usually see it that way if the way we want things is the way we are used to seeing them. David said, Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies. In the tabernacle was a table with showbread and a candlestick. WebThere are three general categories of speech impairment: Fluency disorder. His sermon on Acts opened our eyes when he introduced some social justice themes in his sermon that had literally nothing to do with the text. I ran in a 5k on Labor Day where he won the 40-44 division. Putting some pieces of the puzzle together, ISTM that Platt is being transitioning into Senior Pastor at McLean Bible, though obviously that announcement cannot be made just yet because Appearances and Propriety and Timing. gained entrance to the respectable theologians club, and Dever gained a proven marketing program. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers (believers that they must manage). They must have gone in in laparoscopically. You have an actual job with many other responsibilities. GSD [Getting Stuff Done] wrote: Best regards, Its also tricky if there is something messy with IMB and NAMB that is as yet undisclosed. Sorry for initiating a rabbit trail but to clarify a classical liberal is more like a libertarian but sees the need for just a tad more government. Will Its people slump into a false religious quagmire of fifteenth century religious darkness? Yours is a valuable reminder, too, of how many clergy embody anything BUT the gospel. As I wrote last night, the trend over the last 20 years (and especially the last 10 years) has been consolidation of power around Mohler and Mohler loyalists with the only doctrinal essentials being Authoritarianism (meaning loyalty to whatever they say) and Complementarianism. Thats better left to the students he and Piper appeal to at their annual Cross Conference. They actually have a very limited impact. Wake me up, wake me up inside I cant wake up,Wake me up inside, save me,Call my name and save me from the dark, wake me upBid my blood to run, I cant wake upBefore I come undone, save meSave me from the nothing Ive become Why a building, and a pastor if they are going to refuse to do any of the real work of the church? Is it a worship service or a rock concert? Additionally, DeYoung is a member of The Gospel Coalition Council and writes frequent articles for their blog, is the Senior pastor of Christ Covenant Church in Matthews, North Carolina, is an active member of the celebrity Christian conference circuit, teaches at Reformed Seminary, and is working on his Ph.D. As for spending 20-25 hours to prepare a sermon, that may be the case with a real pastor, but in my research I have found it is rarely the case with the busy celebrity preachers. The leadership is far to often unaware of, or opposed to, the real church that sometimes begins to form. I dont disagree. This concern was raised when Platt took the position at the mission board. I have not seen that to be true in most churches with most Teaching on Sunday Elders. I agree with pretty much all the critique here. So if someone says they want a handholding pastor rather than someone preaching the truth of the Word, we can accept that. He is just a big idea guy. Seems like a focal point. Then have an affair and take a sabatical for recovery purposes while your church still pays you. We need each other to properly interpret scripture the body. @ Preacherskid: and to piggy back.. at MBC platt was speaking about salvation and missions.. and i quote reason you were saved is to go on missions.. not b/c God loves u.. not b/c God wants to spend eternity w/ u.. etc. is there NO one in the UK and/or Ireland who can speak at the FIEC Leaders Conference that an American has to be imported? the title teaching pastor means they do not have to interact with the peasant pew sitters. Same as most 9M churches they pay lip service to prayer but dont labor in much prayer. Keeping that statement in mind, what does he say about Platt's new role at teaching pastor? @ Todd Wilhelm: He needs a vacation, so do I from LIFE. Incidentally, they didnt go there to preach the gospel as such. PHD student. WebDavid Platt is a great example of a man who may have a speech impediment yet the listener is captivated by his genuine passion for the gospel. However, imagine being the pastor of a mega church. We are disgusted that its gone neo-Cal and SBC. No longer are the artisan bakers needed too costly; standardize the formula and hire those who will not think but just follow the dictates of the formula how to do it. Its soft and glides down the throat kids love it with the crust cut-off. (And to be accurate, he preached only 20 of 25 weeks in his first 6 months on the job, so he has effectively had 3 months off in his first 8 months of his job.). Take this opportunity to tell these supposed *pastors* what you think a pastor should be. The organizers can gain favor with the Gospel Glitterati by inviting them to the conference? I grew up Church of Christ however; denominations mean nothing to me. As does C H Spurgeon, the author of the quote. extremely disappointing, disillusioning. I actually did. I can see how this could be the cast for new converts, in the same way that newborns depend on the pre-digested proteins of milk. That makes me sad. Does not. I do believe I read somewhere about how can they believe in Him of whom they have not heard, and how can they hear without a preacher, and how can they preach except they be sent That sure sounds like witnessing to me. The elders of McLean Bible Church (MBC) have asked Dr. David Platt to consider becoming Pastor-Teacher of the church, a title used in the churchs constitution to describe the pastor whose primary duty is to preach and teach the Word of God. As Pastor-Teacher (or Teaching Pastor), Dr. Platt would serve alongside other pastors in the church including Dale Sutherland, who is the Lead Pastor responsible for overall day-to-day leadership in the church. Maybe it comes from living through two church blow-ups, and narrowly avoiding another, but I am nervous when a church is seen as the focal point of anyones spiritual life. Overhead is a thing that happens every single day regardless of how many people show up. Hopefully they will all burn themselves out by being crazy busy like Platt and go away! ), Calvinism, it comes from John Calvins Institutes Of The Christian Religion; which is simply regurgitated 4th century Augustinian Gnosticism, a false gospel message. I may be reading too much into your comments. Those things cannot be torn apart and pitted against each other; they are part and parcel of the whole. My husband said this evening that its like a plague and now even once-immune MBC is falling victim to it. https://fiec.org.uk/events/event/leaders-conference-2017. Im not gonna convince you, and you aint gonna persuade me. According to SBC This Weekhe is only going to teach (give sermons) and will not do anything else in the church. What I would say is, if they ever find the perfect church network, they shouldnt join it because theyll spoil it. Just because we are not catholic and they are no longer sacraments doesnt mean they cease to be important. I have said for years, that the problem with many of these pastors is that they want to be Evangelists like Billy Graham, but they want the security of a permanent church. Paul instructed Timothy to give attention to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation and teaching (1 Tim 4:13); to take pains with these things, be absorbed in them, to pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching, and persevere in these things. His Presence in their midst, is the witness of the Church (being not doing). But the body is more than church life, and the Academy is supposed to serve the Church. Im not sure what title is appropriate for the job hell do there (Lecturer? Incidentally, thats three comments in a row beginning with the word incidentally. Beware! He allegedly just got another huge land gift and may be getting ready to build a mansion on the river. I remember folks telling me to never attend the last Sunday morning service because he loves to ramble on waaaay over time since he doesnt have to worry about the next service. Sorry to be so long winded but it annoys me to no end to see a ministry that I personally experienced turn into something so at least to me foreign to a Biblical standard of fellowship. They are very thoughtful about these sorts of things, actually. The people in this church are very nice & supportivebut Im starting to think its time to move on. 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